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  WT Elders school: The WTS has progressed from just plain stupid to dangerously stupid

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  fresh off the recent 1-day elders school.

  to keep things readable i'll post "highlights" over the next several days in different topics.

  point 1: they have progressed from "just plain" stupid to dangerously stupid.. .

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  Christ Alone

  The instructions to the elders is not some top secret, classified, no-one must know information.

  Yes...yes it is. Have you read the letter that the elders got before they received their new elders book? It stated that sisters were not to even BIND the book because there would be a chance that they would see it. I'd be happy to post the link to view the letter if you would like. Even baptized brothers were to only be allowed to bind the book if they were in the presence of the elder.

  Sound top secret to you? It does to me. What are they hiding? After reading the book, A LOT!!! No, most of the elders book is NOT available in publications, regardless of what the elders told you. Here is the letter that they sent regarding letting sisters bind the book:

  TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS

  Re: Spiral binding of Shepherding textbook

  Dear Brothers:

  Since the release of the new Shepherding textbook, several elders have asked about the possibility of having their textbook spiral bound. There is no objection if an elder personally spiral binds or laminates his own textbook or does so for other elders. If he has another baptized brother who is not an elder do the work for him, the elder must watch while the work is being done. Outside companies. unbelievers, or sisters are not permitted to do this work. The material in the book is confidential, and confidentiality must be preserved.

  Each elder should make the following notation next to the box on the title page of the Shepherding textbook: "See letter dated October 7, 2010, to all bodies of elders regarding spiral binding ofthis textbook."

  Please be assured of our warm Christian love and best wishes.

  cc: Traveling overseers

  PS to secretary:

  This letter should be retained in the congregation permanent file of policy letters. You may wish to update the congregation copy of Index to Letters-For Bodies of Elders (S-22) at this time as well.

  I could answer your questions but this would turn this discussion into a 10 page long debate, that I could not even begin to reply to as I've used a great deal of my allotted posts in this thread already.

  Actually you are at about 60 posts now. I believe the restriction on 10 posts a day has been lifted. I could be wrong. But I suspect that this is a subject that you CANNOT answer. Why were the apostles MAINLY concerned about the hungry, sick, and poor, and yet the WTS could not care less to help those in need financially or medically? Why do they condemn those that build hospitals, homeless shelters, and feed the hungry? Is it because they spend too much of their money paying off the child molesters and their victims? That's where most of YOUR contributed money goes.
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  WT Elders school: The WTS has progressed from just plain stupid to dangerously stupid

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  fresh off the recent 1-day elders school.

  to keep things readable i'll post "highlights" over the next several days in different topics.

  point 1: they have progressed from "just plain" stupid to dangerously stupid.. .

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  Christ Alone

  I think the point is that people do not and should not depend on an elder to send them to a medical professional. That is true. They also shouldn't depend on an elder to call the police if a child has been molested.

  However, the reality is that people DO go to the elders when contemplating suicide. Many rank and file do not know that it is ok to go to a medical professional. And even these elders are apparently taught to handle everything in house. The reality is that people DO go to the elders when a child has been molested, instead of going to the police because the police are part of the WORLD and the elders are part of Jehovah's ORGANIZATION.

  So while people shouldn't depend on these men in these serious situations, they DO. That is the reality.
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  WT Elders school: The WTS has progressed from just plain stupid to dangerously stupid

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  fresh off the recent 1-day elders school.

  to keep things readable i'll post "highlights" over the next several days in different topics.

  point 1: they have progressed from "just plain" stupid to dangerously stupid.. .

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  Christ Alone

  Ethos, I'd also like to bring up that if you are not an elder, you are not supposed to see or know what specifically happened at the elders school. You are not allowed to attend, and the elders are not allowed to record it or share their specific notes. You are not to read the elders manual. It is all confidential.

  So why are you disobeying Jehovah's organization and viewing this material and contributing to an apostate conversation? Why is EVERYTHING ELSE the WT says something you believe in, but their command to stay away from apostate message boards and observe strict confidentiality regarding the elders book and school something you can just ignore?
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  WT Elders school: The WTS has progressed from just plain stupid to dangerously stupid

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  fresh off the recent 1-day elders school.

  to keep things readable i'll post "highlights" over the next several days in different topics.

  point 1: they have progressed from "just plain" stupid to dangerously stupid.. .

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  Christ Alone

  When you think of church is there usually one instructor/overseer or not?

  Not. Many Baptists churches are very similar to JWs. I've been to one and have friends that are current baptists. The way they described the strict baptist churches were very close to JWs. Rules about everything from dancing to dressing. However, even the stricter baptist churches care for its attenders. They financially help, hold food drives, get involved with causes to help others, etc...

  However, you again avoided all of my questions about the WT and it's lack of physical help of others.
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  Are you sure you have not spoken to someone about Jehovah or the Bible for at least 15 minutes?

  by Calebs Airplane in

  1. watchtower
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  how many here have had this conversation before (especially just before the week-long visit by the circuit overseer)?:.

  brother irregular, i don't believe we've received your report for last month.

  did you turn it in yet?.

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  Christ Alone

  There used to be a pioneer in my old hall that was never out in service (I was a reg pio at this time too). One time I talked to him and he said that he would leave a tract or magazine with someone in the morning before work, then do it again after work, and count all the time in between. Genious! Of course the elders caught on and questioned him about all the time he was counting when no one would see him out in service. But he stuck to his guns and continued counting over 100 hours a month.
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  Similarities between Roman Catholics and Jehovah`s Witnesses

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  both claim to be the sole path to god (or did at some point ).

  both claim to reach back to first century christians ,( though jw`s are a bit ambiguous about this).

  the r.c church has a pope , the j.w.`s have a governing body ,both providing spiritual food to the faithful.

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  Christ Alone

  Ethos stayed away from this thread, I see.
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  WT Elders school: The WTS has progressed from just plain stupid to dangerously stupid

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  fresh off the recent 1-day elders school.

  to keep things readable i'll post "highlights" over the next several days in different topics.

  point 1: they have progressed from "just plain" stupid to dangerously stupid.. .

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  Christ Alone

  The 8/22/01 Awake recommends therapy and professional help for those with PTSD.

  I'm sure you know that most JWs do NOT read every WT and Awake. Plus, we were not talking about PTSD, we were talking about depression and suicide. Plus, you easily avoided all of the other objections about your post. Last week I argued as if I was still a JW. I used many of your techniques of answering questions that were not asked, avoiding the difficult ones, and creating strawmen to attack. Arguing was pretty easy as a JW! It was also...sickening.

  Please tell me if the WT will directly pay for others that cannot get medical help. Please tell me if the WT will pay for someone to keep their house if they will lose it and be homeless. Please tell me if the WT trains licensed therapists to help others in need. Please tell me if the WT sets up its own food banks to help the hungry. Please tell me ANYTHING that the WT officially does to help the average rank and file JW to survive when going through a financial or medical hardship.

  I can tell you of thousands of churches that do this thing. Why not Jehovah's Holy Organization? Why are they rich and most other JWs are in poverty? Why, at bethel, did they send many to College in order to support the organization, but rank and file JWs are not allowed to go to college?
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  WT Elders school: The WTS has progressed from just plain stupid to dangerously stupid

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  fresh off the recent 1-day elders school.

  to keep things readable i'll post "highlights" over the next several days in different topics.

  point 1: they have progressed from "just plain" stupid to dangerously stupid.. .

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  Christ Alone

  It is far too important to be diverted by the troll.

  I agree, but there are others reading this thread that also have the same misconceptions as Ethos does. They are told what "Christendom" does, and believe it hook, line, and sinker. Whatever the WT says about other religions MUST be true.
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  WT Elders school: The WTS has progressed from just plain stupid to dangerously stupid

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  fresh off the recent 1-day elders school.

  to keep things readable i'll post "highlights" over the next several days in different topics.

  point 1: they have progressed from "just plain" stupid to dangerously stupid.. .

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  Christ Alone

  I have attended 6 other churches since leaving the WT, and ALL of them had multiple pastors and elder bodies. The pastor's WERE paid, and that was due to their full time service. REAL full time, not 70 hours a month. 40+ hours a week. If you want a full time servant like that, they need to be paid to live. It has nothing to do with greed, it has to do with allowing someone to give ALL their time to serve others. But JWs don't know anything about that. A FULL TIME servant works less than 2 weeks a month (70 hours).

  All the churches I attended had a financial program set up to help those in need. What does the WT have? Worldwide work to build branches, kingdom halls, and pay CO's, DO's, and Spec Pio's? Why do you condemn PAID pastors, and the WT pays for these men?

  All the churches I attended did not see the need to keep everything "in house". If there was a crime, it should be reported. If there is a need for someone to get help from a mental health professional, they were sent.

  So according to my first hand experience, you Ethos, are lying.
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  WT Elders school: The WTS has progressed from just plain stupid to dangerously stupid

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  fresh off the recent 1-day elders school.

  to keep things readable i'll post "highlights" over the next several days in different topics.

  point 1: they have progressed from "just plain" stupid to dangerously stupid.. .

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  Christ Alone

  Except in Christendom where there's no way one paid minister can shepherd the whole church and there's nothing even close to training for handling sensitive situations like this.

  I'm sorry, but Ethos, you've never gone to church have you? This has not been my experience at all. Most churches do NOT have a single pastor, they have a large group to help the pastoring of others. There is usually a lead pastor, associate pastor, worship pastor, childrens pastor, students pastor, and an elder and deacon body that helps assist those in need. Many churches staff the church with trained professionals (including licensed therapists or physicians), and are willing to pay for outside help when the need arrises. Your idea that a church has a single pastor that is responsible for the whole group is false. Maybe you've watched too many movies about small town churches? There may be SOME churches like that, but definitely not the majority. Plus a single trained pastor is better than 100 untrained janitor elders.

  It's funny how the WT concept of outside churches is a complete fabrication. Many times those that came from a church to the WT came from a cult like organization also. So they don't know the difference.

  Again, the WT will not help financially with someone who needs professional medical help. There is not a fund set up to help those in need. ALL funds are to go directly to the WTS. Why is that Ethos?

  You condemn other churches for their help, when the WT does VERY LITTLE to help the average rank and file JW in need. Perhaps another in the congregation will help financially, but this is not approved by the WT. There is no fund to help those in need financially or medically. Yet you still like to condemn "Christendom" for their help of the hungry, sick, and poor.

  Build a hospital, food bank, homeless shelter, or SOMETHING, and then you can go around judging other churches that DO help in a physical way.